tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020501408982885174.post5217823984810572481..comments2024-01-02T17:59:31.596-06:00Comments on A N G L A N D I C U S: Marian devotion and the Early Irish ChurchShane Anglandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14342661098004682988noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020501408982885174.post-84456126974569990672014-05-27T16:13:49.679-05:002014-05-27T16:13:49.679-05:00I agree with that. But to say that the Pope rejec...I agree with that. But to say that the Pope rejected the doctrine of the Assumption of Mary based on the fact that he condemned a book with such a title is taking a rather large leap.<br />As you know there are many books out there with titles that are very christian...until you begin to read them. <br />Granted, I have never read the work in question but I assume it contains heretical beliefs, outside of simply the Assumption of Mary. ( I should read this work, otherwise I take a bit of a leap myself here. ).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13929449271782211652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020501408982885174.post-73069887560203192902014-05-27T10:01:24.614-05:002014-05-27T10:01:24.614-05:00Keith,
You probably know more than I do on this i...Keith,<br /><br />You probably know more than I do on this issue. What I have offered here are some scattered thoughts on the issue. <br /><br />The Decretum Gelasianum declared works like the 'Assumption of Mary' to be the works of heretics and were to be "to be not merely rejected but eliminated from the whole Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church and with their authors and the followers of its authors to be damned in the inextricable shackles of anathema forever." [non solum repudiata verum ab omni Romana catholica et apostolica ecclesia eliminata atque cum suis auctoribus sequacibus sub anathematis insolubili vinculo in aeternum confitemur esse damnata.] The issue was not simply which books were canonical but that certain works, including 'The Assumption of Mary' were the works of heretics and under eternal anathema. The Infancy Gospels were likewise rejected because of gnostic and heretical content, no-one denied that Christ was an infant, but the idea that he inflicted blindness on his neighbors or killed another child out of anger for bumping into him, were rejected as heretical.Shane Anglandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14342661098004682988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020501408982885174.post-22876877999406219512014-05-27T08:13:30.736-05:002014-05-27T08:13:30.736-05:00Dear friend in Christ,
Above you stated "The ...Dear friend in Christ,<br />Above you stated "The bodily assumption of Mary had few advocates in the early church and the earliest sources that mentioned Mary’s bodily ascension were declared heretical by Pope Gelasius. His dectretal in the fifth century declared these works as the works of heretics and schismatics and condemned them forever under anathema."<br />I'm afraid this is completely false. Nothing more than anti catholic rumor that has been repeated to no end by those who haven't looked into the actual circumstance. The truth is, Pope Gelasius declared this work titled 'The Assumption of Mary' as apocryphal along with a whole pile of other writings such as The Acts of Peter, The infancy of Christ, etc... His point being that they were not to be included in scripture.<br />Just because one of those books had the title "The Assumption of Mary" doesn't mean the pope denounced that doctrine, but rather that writing in it's entirety as apocryphal. As stated, one of the other books was titled 'The Infancy of Christ', yet we would not say that the Pope denounced the fact that Christ was an infant at one point, would we ? <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13929449271782211652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020501408982885174.post-32460063135138778612012-09-26T07:17:15.614-05:002012-09-26T07:17:15.614-05:00As a Lutheran I believe in the "Means of Grac...As a Lutheran I believe in the "Means of Grace" which Jesus has given to his body the Church for the forgiveness of sin. The Means of Grace are Word and Sacrament. Holy Absolution may not quite meet the definition of Sacrament, but it certainly meets the definition of Word as an effective Means of Grace. Was Mary sinless from the moment of her conception? I would say no. She was one of us. BUT was Mary absolved from the moment of her conception? I would say yes, God did that for her because she was so special in His plan. And the angel's greeting at the annunciation bore witness to what God had done for Mary. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020501408982885174.post-17576168059307141472012-05-12T12:15:52.720-05:002012-05-12T12:15:52.720-05:00Your welcome! :-)
I think the early Irish Church...Your welcome! :-) <br /><br />I think the early Irish Church's view on Mary would be very similar to Augustine's famous quote, <br /><br />"The Virgin Mary is both holy and blessed, and yet the Church is greater than she. Mary is a part of the Church, a member of the Church, a holy, an eminent – the most eminent – member, but still only a member of the entire body. The body undoubtedly is greater than she, one of its members. This body has the Lord for its head, and head and body together make up the whole Christ. In other words, our head is divine – our head is God." Augustine, St. Augustine, Sermo 25, 7-8: PL 46, 937-938.Shane Anglandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14342661098004682988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8020501408982885174.post-58682261989969860832012-05-12T06:33:20.367-05:002012-05-12T06:33:20.367-05:00Now that is an answer! Thanks very much for this A...Now that is an answer! Thanks very much for this Anglandicus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com